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strider1551
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Re: Wiki
I just noticed that an anonymous/not-logged-in user can still edit and create pages without making it past a captcha (and I don't know, maybe that's on your list and I'm being annoying)... so spam is still gonna be a problem.
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daniel_reetz
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Re: Wiki
I will take a look at that ASAP.. thankks for catching it...
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curious
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Re: Web Tools
I was just about to start a book on Booki, then I came across this thread, and read the thread of Booki conversation (http://diybookscanner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=473).
(Side: Let me know if shorter, single-topic posts would be more digestible that this post.)
My main hesitation: I reviewed the registration page for these forums and saw that there's no notice about licensing submissions, which I think means that all posts are conventional copyright of their authors. So if I want to start a book or post anything to the wiki, I will write it from scratch and take only small quotes. I wonder if it seems feasible to change forum registration to say that all posts are CC-BY-SA -- or maybe that would get vetoed by current participants. (My other hesitation: giving attention to everything else in my life.)
Book format: I like bnz's layout (http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/vie ... t=10#p6673) as a start.
As for Semantic Mediawiki: I have a little familiarity with it, and I think SMW, Tiki, and Wagn are at the forefront of libre software for structured wikis, each offering distinct functions. I think that if we setup SMW, then whoever wants to play wiki-gardener will do it (taking stuff from forums and organizing it). We could go so far as to disable the "talk/discussion" pages in the wiki in order to keep conversation in the current forum. Later we might use LiquidThreads in the wiki once folks finish rebuilding it in a few months: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads
I noticed that Booki can import Wikibooks, so if we do a lot in the wiki then we can import it to Booki if that seems sensible. Example Wikibook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Semantic_Web
My view of the flow of it all: The forums offer a place for conversation, where ideas bounce around and develop. The book offers a distillation of our collective intelligence. The wiki functions mostly as a database for storing and querying structured data, including a do-it-ourselves book scanning pattern language, math charts, and more (I have a growing list (more about pattern languages at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_language -- in that frame, each scanner build is a poem).
(Side: Let me know if shorter, single-topic posts would be more digestible that this post.)
My main hesitation: I reviewed the registration page for these forums and saw that there's no notice about licensing submissions, which I think means that all posts are conventional copyright of their authors. So if I want to start a book or post anything to the wiki, I will write it from scratch and take only small quotes. I wonder if it seems feasible to change forum registration to say that all posts are CC-BY-SA -- or maybe that would get vetoed by current participants. (My other hesitation: giving attention to everything else in my life.)
Book format: I like bnz's layout (http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/vie ... t=10#p6673) as a start.
As for Semantic Mediawiki: I have a little familiarity with it, and I think SMW, Tiki, and Wagn are at the forefront of libre software for structured wikis, each offering distinct functions. I think that if we setup SMW, then whoever wants to play wiki-gardener will do it (taking stuff from forums and organizing it). We could go so far as to disable the "talk/discussion" pages in the wiki in order to keep conversation in the current forum. Later we might use LiquidThreads in the wiki once folks finish rebuilding it in a few months: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:LiquidThreads
I noticed that Booki can import Wikibooks, so if we do a lot in the wiki then we can import it to Booki if that seems sensible. Example Wikibook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book:Semantic_Web
My view of the flow of it all: The forums offer a place for conversation, where ideas bounce around and develop. The book offers a distillation of our collective intelligence. The wiki functions mostly as a database for storing and querying structured data, including a do-it-ourselves book scanning pattern language, math charts, and more (I have a growing list (more about pattern languages at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pattern_language -- in that frame, each scanner build is a poem).
Re: Wiki
Hi,
i just added some links to the software list in the wiki (http://www.diybookscanner.org/wiki/inde ... o_Software).
Daniel, btw, perhaps it would be an idea to have a "wiki sub board" here to discuss and coordinate the work on the wiki between the encouraged persons?
Cheers,
Marcus.
i just added some links to the software list in the wiki (http://www.diybookscanner.org/wiki/inde ... o_Software).
Daniel, btw, perhaps it would be an idea to have a "wiki sub board" here to discuss and coordinate the work on the wiki between the encouraged persons?
Cheers,
Marcus.
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daniel_reetz
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Re: Wiki
Great page, Digitizer!
A wiki forum is interesting - but I don't want it to be confusing. Anyone have any ideas on that? I certainly don't mind making a sub forum if people are going to use it...
A wiki forum is interesting - but I don't want it to be confusing. Anyone have any ideas on that? I certainly don't mind making a sub forum if people are going to use it...
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rob
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Re: Wiki
The usual way to discuss wiki things is on the Discussion pages in the wiki. Otherwise you lose a lot of history.
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daniel_reetz
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Re: Wiki
Curious, I think we could potentially make all content CC going forward - but it would be really impossible going backward.
I think it's totally reasonable to quote at length, though, and if someone doesn't want their content included, they can ask to have it removed. After all, the wiki is on the same site, and the premise of the community is open source development, information sharing, etc.
If you wanted to host a Booki install here I'd be interested in helping/getting you set up as an admin to do that work unencumbered.
I think it's totally reasonable to quote at length, though, and if someone doesn't want their content included, they can ask to have it removed. After all, the wiki is on the same site, and the premise of the community is open source development, information sharing, etc.
If you wanted to host a Booki install here I'd be interested in helping/getting you set up as an admin to do that work unencumbered.
Re: Wiki
Yes, i aggree with this in the term of "pages". But otherwise, there is no "discussion page" on which we can discuss how to organize the whole wiki (creating and organize categories, creating sample, template and style pages, etc.).rob wrote:The usual way to discuss wiki things is on the Discussion pages in the wiki. Otherwise you lose a lot of history.
Cheers,
Marcus.
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rob
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Re: Wiki
Oops, you are right, we didn't set one up. I have just done so, and it is here.
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